Hello again,
@brandoc wrote:
> @Cawtau: "a smartwatch with a data-only plan would be entirely separate from the phone's plan."
Correct, and that is precisely what I wanted--a data-only plan for my watch which was entirely separate from the phone's plan....
That is not how the Apple Watch was designed to be used.
@brandoc wrote:..
> @Cawtau: "Apple Watches need to be paired to an iPhone in order to use the device"
My watch was paired, over bluetooth during setup, and it also functioned perfectly fine independently of my phone, when on wifi: iMessage and FaceTime worked fine, even when my iphone was completely powered off....
Pairing a device via bluetooth is not the same as having it paired via cellular services.
@brandoc wrote:..The reason I couldn't scan the code was because apple has programmed the apple Watch app on iphones to first check if the carrier is on the "approved list" of apple watch carriers...
The approved list are the carriers with smartwatch plans.
In addition, had you referred to jailbreaking your Apple Watch in your earlier post? If so, that could be why it was deleted (if it was in fact deleted). Fido Community's Terms of Use does not allow the discussion of hacking and/or “rooting” a wireless phone from any carrier (see Terms of Use). I understand the Apple Watch is not a wireless phone, but your Apple Watch is hacked. It's possible your last post might also get deleted.
Even if you somehow are able to do what you're trying, your watch might not behave the way you intend for it to work.
Hope this helps 😀
Cheers
Hello again,
@brandoc wrote:...There's no such thing as "pairing via cellular."..
It appears as though you're trying to accomplish something you don't even understand how it works. The cellular plan needs to be set-up on your iPhone. When you go to set-up your Apple Watch the process automatically searches for your iPhone's data plan. Normally, I would provide references, however, you're trying to circumvent the procedure so I'm not going to provide details of how Apple goes about pairing the cellular services.
I understand what you're trying to accomplish might be what some users want. However, even the people in your Reddit thread on the topic don't seem to think it's possible.
Cheers
Hello again
@brandoc wrote:..I understand how eSIM works entirely, thank you....
Apparently, in this case, you do not...
@brandoc wrote:
- @CawtauThe cellular plan needs to be set-up on your iPhone.
As I've said multiple times, I have a cellular plan on my iPhone....
Your Apple Watch's cellular plan needs to be set-up on your iPhone. **edit** It's set up as a smartwatch plan by your iPhone. That's why a standalone plan won't work. ** I know that's not what you want, but Apple designed the device to be a companion device to the iPhone.
Cheers
Hello again,
I never said anything about people having data-only plans. I never said anything about how people should or should not be using their devices. I mentioned that Apple designed the device to be a companion device for the iPhone because the smartwatch plan needs to be set-up on the iPhone. No judgment. Even with Rogers' Share Everything plan you mentioned above, one can't just get any plan for their Apple Watch. The watch needs its smartwatch plan, set-up on accompanying iPhone.
Apple doesn't allow for the Apple watch to have a standalone plan. If you think you can outsmart Apple and somehow bypass their set-up process, that's up to you. However, this is not the venue to discuss such matters.
Fido does not currently offer smartwatch plans. If they do decide to offer them at a later date, it will be posted on Fido.ca.
Cheers
Hello again,
@brandoc wrote: ...Your iPhone plan is separate from your watch plan on Freedom!...
Thanks for the information. However, that is NOT a standalone plan. Yes, the 1GB of data is separate from the customers' regular plan, but it isn't fully independent from the iPhone as you initally intended. That plan is an Apple Watch plan.
...Apple Watch customers will be able to self-activate through their Watch app on iPhone... The Watch app will be able to pair and activate the Freedom Mobile promo Apple Watch 1GB plan... ~taken from article you posted.
As mentioned previously,
@Cawtau wrote: ...The cellular plan needs to be set-up on your iPhone. When you go to set-up your Apple Watch the process automatically searches for your iPhone's data plan.
With the Freedom plan, the cellular plan still needs to be first set-up on your iPhone - cellular pairing. I suspect the set-up process will also still search for your iPhone's data plan. However, rather than sharing the data, the watch will only have access to the 1GB. You won't be able to just get that plan on its own.
**edit** It should also be noted that Freedom is now offering Apple Watch plans because they are also offering the Apple Watches.**
Hope this helps 😀
Cheers
Hello again,
You really need to do some better research...
My only claim was that the Apple Watch plan needed to be set-up by the iPhone and that was the reason why Fido's standalone data plan would not work. Freedom's Apple Watch plan still needs to be set-up on the iPhone.
~taken from here.
The technical reason is that's the way Apple designed the device to be used. The Apple Watch's plan needs to be set-up on the iPhone. One can't even use an iPad to set-up an Apple Watch plan. Over the years, people have tried to circumvent a way around Apple's design. You are not the first one to think of it. That means that both the iPhone and Apple Watch need to be using the same carrier:
~taken from here.
@brandoc wrote:..
Previously everyone said "the watch and phone have to have a share everything plan" but apple just last week decided that isn't necessary, because they just granted Freedom mobile the ability to join their network...
The issue wasn't about having to share data. Why would Apple care whether data was shared with a phone's main plan or if it had its own data? Sharing data is consumer marketing. Consumers don't like the idea of having to pay data overages on their Apple Watches if their main plan still had ample data, or even unlimited data. The issue is that Freedom's Apple Watch plan still needs to be set-up on the iPhone. That is, the Apple Watch plan is paired with the iPhone's phone plan. It is not a standalone plan. Whether they share data or not, the two plans are associated with each other.
In case it wasn't clear: the two plans are paired with each other. Cancelling the phone plan would likely also cancel the Apple Watch plan. You probably could set-up the Apple Watch with a Freedom SIM and later replace the SIM with a Fido SIM. However, you would still have to keep the Freedom phone plan in order to keep the Apple Watch plan. So technically, you probably could use the device on two different networks. However, you'd still be paying for a phone plan you're not using. If you're thinking of using a friend's Freedom SIM to activate the Apple Watch, the plan would be associated with their account. You could have done the same with any of the other providers offering plans for the Apple Watch. Like I said, you're not the first to think of it. Freedom hasn't revolutionised the Apple Watch plan; it's generally the same as other Apple Watch plans. The difference is that they limit the amount of data available on the Apple Watch.
Cheers
Hello @brandoc,
Boy, you really seem to like telling me I am wrong 🙄 However, nothing I mentioned was inaccurate. Did you even listen to the video??
...iOS 14 and Apple WatchOS 7, Apple have introduced an new feature that fundamentally changes how the apple watch works with iphone...
...Traditionally, the iPhone and the Apple Watch shared the same carrier, they shared the same mobile number...
Introducing a NEW feature means that it was not available previously. Seeing as the WatchOS 7 was just released September 16, 2020. That feature was NOT available in any of our previous discussions on the topic.
So at the time I had posted, YES, the iPhone and Apple Watch needed to be using the same carrier (they even said so in the video). And YES, the two plans were paired with each other. And YES, the cellular plans were paired because the Apple Watch plan needed to be activated on the iPhone.
I don't have a Magic Ball to predict how Apple decides to allow their customers to use their devices. I only provided the relevant information available at the time. Who knows, maybe the Apple Watch 7 will be implanted in your arm? 🤔
Cheers
Hello again,
Your issue is terminology? Did I make up that term? No, it's been used in various forums and articles to decribe the issue. Like I said, you should do better research.
Question: Could one get a standalone plan for the Apple Watch? NO
Question: Could one use an iPad to activate the device? NO
Question: Could one get an Apple Watch Plan without an iPhone? NO
Question: Could one get an Apple Watch Plan with an iPhone without data? NO
Fact: The Apple Watch Plan needed to be set-up on an iPhone with a cellular data plan. **edit** That IS on the Apple website** I used the term cellular pairing to differentiate it from pairing via Bluetooth or Wifi. Whether that terminology is official or not is irrelevant. Can you think of a better terminology?
**edit** BTW, Adding an Apple Watch to your Cellular Plan is pretty much the definition of pairing. That's also from the Apple website**
Cheers
Hello again,
Haven't we already been over this??
@brandoc wrote:
> Question: Could one get a standalone plan for the Apple Watch?
YES you could @Cawtau even before -- you can have a dual sim phone with freedom & fido, then activate your watch on Freedom (who only does standalone plans for the watch by the way!) and then cancel your freedom plan but keep fido on the phone and freedom on the watch
That is NOT a standalone plan. If it were, then you wouldn't have to cancel the Freedom plan. You could have just gotten the Apple Watch plan. Did you cancel the the Freedom phone plan? Your Reddit seems to say otherwise:
~you know where that was taken from
Even if you were able to cancel your Freedom phone plan and keep the Apple Watch plan, you still needed the Freedom phone plan to set-up the Apple Watch plan. By definition, that is not standalone.
You even seem to acknowledge that the Freedom option is not standalone...
Did you even listen to that Apple engineer?? He said it's a sensible... idea?. However, that does not mean it is currently possible. I'm not ruling anything out. I just provided information available at the time.
And no, it's not tied selling...
Cheers
